Episode 22. So . . . Now Seems Like a Good Time to Talk About HBO's Confederate

The Game of Throne producers are coming out with a new show called Confederate, about what would have happened if the south had won the Civil War. In the context of the current political climate, in which violence has erupted between aggressive white nationalists and peaceful counter protestors over a statue of Robert E. Lee, is this show appropriate? Is Black Twitter right to try to shut the project down? #noconfederate. Should we be happy that two talented show runners are turning their attention to a subject so important to the national conversation? Or should be wary given their poor handling of issues relating to race and sexual assault in the past? Joe and Brie discuss all the takes, and Brie gives Black Twitter some pushback.

Next, they discuss R. Kelly, John McCain, and how to talk about people who make or do something "good" (e.g. Ignition/Health Care vote) but who have otherwise disappointing personal histories. What are our ethical obligations to distance ourselves from Kelly's music given recent accusations that he is inducting young girls into a "cult?" How should we process McCain's brain cancer given his complicated political record and reluctance to ensure all Americans can receive the medical care he benefits from?

Finally, we chat about the new season of Insecure, Chris Pratt and Anna Ferris's break up, and when and whether Brie will become Joe's "beard."

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Episode 21. The Truth About Healthcare: How We Got It & What To Do If It Goes Away

Joe & Brie catch up on life developments, including Joe's impending switch to a long-distance relationship, before going into a deep dive on healthcare. Specifically, they unpack the unique history of healthcare in the United States to better understand how we ended up with our broken employer-based model, and discuss the role of race in shaping our current system. The pair welcome healthcare expert Rachael Wolfgang to outline coping mechanisms to employ if the ACA is repealed. Finally, they answer relationship questions as part of their new segment: Unsolicited Advice. Also, R. Kelly, Joe Lieberman, and thoughts on a second viewing of Get Out.

Episode 20. How to Define a Crime?: Hate Crimes, Free Speech, & the Bachelor in Paradise

How do you define a hate crime in the absence of an explicit racial epithet? And why do hate crime laws matter? Joe and Brie discuss the murder of Nabra Hassanen, a teenage Muslim girl from Virginia, and unpack the psychic and cultural benefits of laws that specifically recognize the humanity of those whose lives matter less in the eyes of the criminal justice system and the public more broadly.

Next, they use the recent sexual assault allegations on Bachelorette spinoff "Bachelor in Paradise" as a foil to examine the current "progressive" approach to rape culture. How does one balance the interest in crediting a woman's rape accusation--especially given under-reporting statistics and a long history victims not being believed--against the historical victimization of black men who are accused of having sexual interest in white women? How do we reconcile our belief that affirmative consent should rule the day with the knowledge that most consensual sexual encounters do not feature affirmative consent? How does one assess culpability when neither party is sober enough to reasonably assess consent?

Episode 19. Katy Perry and the ULTIMATE CULTURAL APPROPRIATION LITMUS TEST!!!

When America calls, SWOTI answers. It's clear that even after last week's episode, there's still quite a bit of confusion about what cultural appropriation is and isn't, and importantly, why it matters. Katy Perry is trying and missing the mark in her interview with Deray McKesson, Bill Maher is regressing to antebellum sensibilities, and New York Times author Kenan Malik is defending cultural appropriation using, of all people, Elvis Presley as an example. So Brie and Joe buckled down and came up with a six point litmus test that they feel is pretty fool proof. Let them know what you think!

Joe and Brie also recap their 10 year reunion. Were their worst fears fulfilled? Did they kill it?

Finally, they give Bill Maher exactly the amount of attention he deserves.

Episode 18. Party in the USA!: Miley Cyrus, Cultural Appropriation, and Ten-Year Reunions

We need to talk about something important: Brie and Joe's upcoming ten-year college reunion. The SWOTI hosts discuss what we're looking forward to, what we're dreading, and the deep satisfaction of baring one's midriff to bypass some of those awkward reunion interactions. Next, we turn to Miley Cyrus and the ire she's drawn from the Internet due to her recent comments about hip hop: her complicated relationship with the genre and the parts of it she views as misogynistic. Is this outrage warranted? Has Miley used hip hop as a prop to further her career only to discard it when it's convenient? Why is she being read for cultural appropriation when some of her other pop counterparts aren't? Brie and Joe then do another deep dive into cultural appropriation. What are the connotations when minorities appropriate from other minority cultures? Can Joe wear a sombrero? Can Brie wear a qipao? And, moving back to Miley, who is "allowed" to borrow from black culture and black music? One of our takeaways? All music is black music. Except #polka. And #beethoven. Finally, we read some of our fans' iTunes comments because...it makes us feel good.

Episode 17. When White Things Happen To Black People: On Shea Moisture & Jesse Williams

Joe and Brie are back, and they're talking about the controversial Shea Moisture advertisement that raised heckles when it excluded the black women--the very women who comprise the product's user base. What obligation does a black-owned, black-targeted hair product company have to acknowledge its base? Are black products "allowed" to expand to a more diverse audience? Would black women abandoning the company for a white-owned one teach it the desired lesson? Then, Brie & Joe discuss #wokebae Jesse Williams and his recent separation from his wife. Does it undermine one's #wokeness to couple up with a person who is seemingly not-so-woke (though is quite hot)? Finally, Joe and Brie answer questions from their #viral (viral!) interracial dating YouTube video. This last segment is available on their YouTube channel so, if you haven't yet, don't forget to watch them in action here (and see pictures of the pair in college!). #thecomeupisreal

Episode 16. United (Airlines) We Fall?: David Dao, Dave Chappelle, and a Rough Week for Asian Men

Joe and Brie discuss Dr. David Dao's violent removal from a United Airlines flight last week. To what extent did his race affect his treatment? How did it influence the public's largely sympathetic response? And how are we supposed to interpret the role of United CEO—and fellow POC—Oscar Munoz in all of this? (Hint: implicit bias is a thing.)

Also, though you might have heard about Dave Chappelle's controversial jokes about trans people on his new Netflix special, there has been next to no media coverage about the part of his routine that undermines Asian masculinity.  Don't worry: SWOTI is on the case. You'll want to hear this.

Finally, Joe and Brie talk new career ambitions, Michelle Obama's natural hair, do a little Spice Girls karaoke, and opine on ideal running playlists.

Episode 15. I Feel Some Type of Way About Allison Williams: "Get Out" & Interracial Relationships

We watched Jordan Peele's revolutionary horror film "Get Out" and asked what, if any, message about interracial relationships we were supposed to draw from a horror flick about whiteness.  How generalizable is the subtext about trust and authenticity? What lessons should we take from the inclusion of an Asian and Latino character in a film that otherwise draws black and white boundary lines between good and evil? Joe and Brie are joined by original SWOTI members Lyse and Chef for a particularly energetic conversation!  

For the last twenty minutes, Brie and Joe talk about their own interracial relationships.  Brie discusses her own somewhat rare Asian Man/Black Woman pairing, and how dating a person of color differs from dating white men.  Joe reflects on interracial dating in the context of a gay relationship, and unpacks anti-Asian prejudice within the community.

Episode 14. Free Speech or Nah? Competing Speech Interests in Trump's America

Nary a week goes by without the First Amendment making headlines, whether it's protests at Berkeley, Milo Yiannopoulos becoming a lightning rod for speech rights on the right (until he wasn't), Tomi Lahren's recent fall from grace, "PC Culture" corrupting college campuses, Republican congressmen snatching high school kids' paintings off the wall, or the fervor over our constitutionally-enshrined right to wear that Pocahontas costume on Halloween. In this first episode of season two, Joe and Brie break it all the way down, unpack the interests at play (including the interests of marginalized students who are often treated in a cursory fashion), and attempt to balance them all without running ink on the Constitution with snowflake tears. As usual, they interject with humor, personal anecdotes, and musical interludes from yesteryear.

Episode 13. Heil to the Chief? The First Seven Days of Trump's America

Hello SWOTI comrades! We hope you're ready, because season two of SWOTI is finally here! This week, we talk about the end times, so to speak: Trump's first seven days in office. Did we hate watch the inauguration? (Of course we did.) What did we think of the Women's March? Is social protest a way to win elections or to win wars? And is it *ever* all right to punch a Nazi? We wrap things up with a couple glads and mads: the Oscars and some other Hollywood foolishness. So pull up a chair and join the conversation as we kick of our second season!

Episode 12. The Maddest and Gladdest of 2016!!!!

Join us for the last episode of the season!

In this one, Joe and Brie do "a year in review": what were the best "you glads" and "you mads" of 2016? They each offer up their favorites ranging from media (BoJack Horseman and The Real Housewives of NY get a shout out) to music (the Knowles sisters feature heavily) to politics (Brie's over the democratic party and alternative media gets a big thumbs up). They even dabble in a little relationship advice.

Let them know what stuck with you this year in the comments, or on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr . . . well, you get the picture.

Brie and Joe are taking a short break, but will be back within a month with a freshly polished media presence. So stay tuned!

Episode 11. A Racial Bechdel Test: Everyone's a Little Bit Racist, Even Tilda Swinton . . . and Brie

First there was Batman v. Superman; now we have Margaret Cho v. Tilda Swinton. Was Margaret right in calling Tilda out for treating her like a "house Asian"? Is Tilda as woke as she thinks she is? Joe and Brie examine the receipts and find ourselves firmly on Team Cho. We discuss Hollywood's continued whitewashing of Asian roles, why gender diversity isn't more important that racial diversity, and also why, in the end, we might throw Tilda a bone.

Next, we chat about a "Racial Bechdel Test": If two POCs talk about something other than white people, does anyone hear it? Are we less implicated than white people when it comes to cultural appropriation and racial insensitivity? And then we wrap things up with a quick "U Mad" about how Nate Parker and Casey Affleck's sexual assault allegations are being treated differently by the press. Brie offers up a theory as to why. Hint: It rhymes with "spacism." Plus ALL THE ACCENTS!

Episode 10. Call me "Racist": Why Language Matters in Trump’s America & No "Glads"

We wrap up our debrief of Brie's interview with a Trump supporter by diving into the topic of race. Namely, what’s the best way to talk about race and racism with conservatives? How do we challenge those around us without alienating them? Has race become the third rail of politics in Trump’s America? Brie and Joe butt heads about whether we should be out here shaming racists. We end with the shortest “U Glad” segment ever—we had to dig deep. Like cashews deep.

Episode 9. Straight from the Elephant's Mouth: A Discussion with a Trump Voter

Finally: Our long-awaited interview with a Trump supporter is here! Join Brie as she talks politics with someone outside her "bubble." Why did this person choose to vote for Donald Trump? What is one conservative's perspective on race in America and the Obama presidency? Let's just say someone is very, very wrong on the internet. Joe and Brie then debrief the conversation and talk about the challenge of talking to individuals who disagree with your values, and how asking for the receipts isn't possible when said receipts are...figments. Hold on to the edge of your seats!

Episode 8. Color Me Thankful: A SWOTI Glads-giving Extravaganza!

Join us around the table to talk turkey! It's Thanksgiving, and we're giving a voyeuristic peak into our families' respective traditions from Korean bonchon to Luther Vandross and wine. We're also reflecting on what we're thankful for and how we're feeling two weeks after this momentous election. Stick around until the end, when we give you a taste of Brie's authentic Thanksgiving playlist!

Episode 7. Trump's America: A Post-Election Assessment of What Went Wrong & Review of FX's "Atlanta"

It's been quite the week. Join us as we comfort each other, attempt to figure out what went wrong, investigate how the media failed us, and figure out how to fix this thing going forward. Also, stick around for our "U Glad?" segment in which we discuss Donald Glover's near-perfect dramady "Atlanta" on FX, with a focus on the ambiguous messaging in the ambitious "trans-racial" episode.

Episode 6. "The Black Vote," Deray Mckesson's Clinton Endorsement, & the return of The Gilmore Girls

In these last days before the 2016 presidential election, we tackle the declining black voter turnout, and discuss substantive reasons why black voters might be less enthusiastic about a Clinton presidency. We also address the implications of Deray McKesson's Clinton endorsement, and close with a light hearted discussion of the new Gilmore Girls episodes premiering later this month. Does the show hold up? We'll tell you.

Episode 5. Third Party Politics & Review of HBO's Insecure

Is now the time for a 3rd party candidate? Join us for a discussion of the merits of "protest" voting, and then unwind with chat about Issa Rae's new HBO show insecure. What were our expectations? Did the show live up to them? Do we ask more of shows featuring underrepresented stories than we do of "mainstream" (read white) shows? Is that fair?

Episode 4. Birth of a Nation: Rapey or Nah?

Join us for an in-depth discussion of controversial film Birth of a Nation. Should you see it? We'll let you know! We discuss both the substantive merit of the film, the ethical dilemma presented by the actions of it's creator and star against whom a late nineties rape allegation recently became public knowledge, and the ways in which reviews of the film are influenced by the politics surrounding Nate Parker. The "U Mad?" segment features a discussion of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her comments about Colin Kaepernick's protest.