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Brie is a lawyer. Joe is a writer and educator. Neither made Forbes' 30 Under 30 list.

Brie and Joe met their freshman year at Harvard. They quickly bonded over a shared affinity for examining and critiquing the effects of policy and culture on POCs—and vice versa. Brie and Joe also realized they more or less shared the same sense of humor, which came in handy when they weren't fighting and making up, as best friends do.

After years of enjoying a private and compassionate "safe space" over emails and on phone calls, it occurred to them that they were having conversations to which others would relate. So they started a podcast.